On 2020-08-14, at 07:29, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > my growing > belief that the IETF is irredeemable. Well, in a group of 1820 you will always find a few people who are making mistakes (I sure made some). Mailing lists of this size may be irredeemable; for the IETF as an organization I’m seeing that self-healing processes are taking root now. Grüße, Carsten