Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

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Hi, Ted,

On 23/7/20 15:20, Ted Hardie wrote:
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:08 AM Michael StJohns <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    On 7/23/2020 1:54 PM, Ted Hardie wrote:
    Howdy,

    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:36 AM Michael StJohns
    <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

[....]
    Hi -

    I'm actually surprised that you think its a good idea to do this on
    a stream basis rather than on a community basis.   Regardless, the
    draft cited is pretty clear that it wants to add constraints to the
    RFC process:

Just above the text you cite is this:

Authors SHOULD: * Replace the excluding term "master-slave" with more
    accurate alternatives, for instance from the list of Section 3.1.  *
    Replace the excluding term "blacklist-whitelist" with more accurate
    alternative, for instance from the list of suggested alternatives at
    Section 3.2.  * Reflect on their use of metaphors generally * Use the
    neutral "they" as the singular pronoun, and * Consider changing
    existing exclusive language in current (reference) implementations
    [socketwench] * Consult the style sheet maintained by the RFC editor.


Getting the cultural shift to this reflection on the consideration means that it will be rare that the RFC editor will need to offer alternatives. It also means the language in I-Ds and working group discussion will avoid the terms early, rather than expecting a post-facto adjustment by an expert.  A BCP covering the IETF practice here seems to me a useful thing to do, even if all the other streams come to very similar practices.

If this is to be applied, why not apply it to all IETF contributions, rather than to some particular form of it?

Thanks,
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Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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