Just to be clear, this is not just bigness bias. There are real concerns here:
1. Productivity -- The "rough edges" we're talking about here are really expensive in units of lost meeting time. More widely-used tools are more likely to have obvious problems fixed.
2. Inclusiveness -- The higher the bar is to using a tool, the harder it is for people to participate effectively. More widely-used tools are more likely to be things people have experience with, and more likely to adhere to commonly-used idioms.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:01 AM Simon Pietro Romano <spromano@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
I see. This confirms my doubts, since I had different standards in mind.Simon
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Il giorno 27 lug 2020, alle ore 16:52, Richard Barnes <rlb@xxxxxx> ha scritto:On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon Pietro Romano <spromano@xxxxxxxx> wrote:While there has been a lot of progress since 107, it is clear from the first couple of sessions that there are still a many rough edges that are wasting a lot of WG time. We should take a serious look at whether it's worth investing more in refining this tool, or whether a more standard tool would be appropriate.It might look weird to request such a clarification on an IETF mailing list, but I am afraid we should first agree on the correct meaning of *standard* here.I would start with something like >1m DAU. That would give us tools that are broadly used (thus likely to have fixed the sort of rough edges we see here), but still leave several options to choose from.Simon
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