Hi Toerless, Joe,
At 03:56 PM 24-07-2020, Toerless Eckert wrote:
This effort of language change if it is then adopted officially in IETF or RFC
editor will undoubtedly reconfirm the perception if not reality that the IETF
is a strongly USA dominated institution:
- IETF chair lives in USA works for USA company
- 12 of 14 IESG members live in the USA and/or work for USA companies.
- 10 out of 13 IAB members live in the USA and/or work for USA companies.
- Anybody want to take a bet what percentage of WG chairs live in the
USA and/or work for a USA company ?
- Any of the other leadership roles ?
While in the past USA leadership was seen as very positive, unfortunately this
has changed around the world, and this effort has good chances to also be
seen in that light:
In this case, we have a situation where (if i analyze it correctly) not even
the long-term IETF community, but one from outside the IETF brings
this USA centric
social issue into the IETF, and the USA centric active IETF
community is directly
jumping on this boat because they confuse whatever might be good for their
countries community to be equally good for the supposedly much larger
and supposedly much more diverse and inclusive global IETF
community. To me, this
is a sign of even stronger USA influence than anything technical we
had so far.
The Spanish words for the concept which was discussed in several
venues is similar to the English words. I would have to spend more
time on that topic to understand it.
The main part of Toerless' message is about whether the U.S. social
issues which have influenced the debate about some words. It is
difficult to determine whether the fact that 85% of IESG members have
U.S. ties has anything to do with the IESG Statement.
It is strange that the traditional Thursday censorship index was
discontinued. The majority of persons posting to this mailing list
have U.S. ties. The reality is that it is that majority which
influences the decision(s). It is probably similar for the related
debate {1] on the Human Rights Protocol Considerations mailing list.
One of the points made was whether a solution which Country X
considers as good is equality good for other countries. Do all those
countries have the same culture? Would Country X be putting the
interests of the other country ahead of its own interests?
Regards,
S. Moonesamy
1. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/hrpc/9E7uZeAD53eQ2qOPgJfSY3LHnDE/
