Hi, all I think this doc could be more useful if it leaves the discussion and debate of context to a single background section with at most one paragraph each on a few examples. Instead, it should spend more time providing groups of suggested alternatives with explanations as to when each might be more accurate, e.g.: primary-secondary when limited to two instances, one of which is privileged primary-replica when more than two instances are possible, one of which is privileged I agree that none of this doc should mandate when to use any particular alternate, but it should say that documents SHOULD NOT use the exclusionary language except in direct reference to legacy uses. Leave it to the community and RSE to help clean things up - and yes, tools help here too. (i.e., I can’t see how we can get around pointing out the correspondence between current and legacy terms in future docs or external standards, not just here). FWIW: alternates for primary-replica when one is in control could be: leader-follower commander-subordinate Recognizing that this doc can never be complete, we should scrub the current RFCs for terms that we think should - or could - be used. Below are a few I found that we either need to provide alternatives for or explain are not currently known as problematic (i.e., a more complete ‘accept/deny’ list). It would also help to point out that the list should include other areas, such as: ageist terms sexist terms disability terms Joe -------- Additional “deny” list (note that most of these I either found in RFCs are other tech literature): grandfather(ed) legacy/legacied whitewash (none - euphemism that may be better phrased directly) black and white (referring to binary decisions with clearly desirable outcomes) (none - euphemism that may be better phrased directly) gyp (as in to short-change or cheat) cheat/swindle greybeard (as senior member of a community) senior member greylist (because it is derived from white/blacklist) partial accept/admit minon follower/subordinate dummy placeholder sanity check / reality check validity check / correctness check / confidence check / quick check bitch complain hobbled undermined / made less effective by there’s also the question of whether we can avoid gendered terms for people (he/she/guys/dude, his/her) “Accept” list (or at least I think they are; please point out if otherwise): black/red as network security levels black and white referring to images (i.e., binary greyscale) dark web/net grey web/net (as in partially dark) FWIW, I prefer “dim” to grey as being more clear, but that’s me white pages / yellow pages (refers to historical use of paper of those colors to publish phone directories) white paper (a brief though-piece) black hole black box red/green, red/yellow/green red (as a warning or error) Joe
