Additional advisors (was: RE: Challenge: Re: Challenge: was Re: Updated Nomcom 2020-2021: Result of random selection process)

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On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, STARK, BARBARA H wrote:

I needed the tools advisor in place when I started the volunteer process.

....

I also asked Suresh to be an advisor, as permitted by RFC 8713.

My read of RFC8713 section 4.3 is that you are not premitted to appoint advisors on your own. The relevant text is:

   Any committee member may propose the addition of an advisor to
   participate in some or all of the deliberations of the committee.
   The addition must be approved by the committee according to its
   established voting mechanism.

I do not object to you having sought advice from Henrik and Suresh up to this point, but, as I wrote this morning, I hope that you will propose these new advisors to the NomCom once it is seated and give the NomCom (excluding the two proposed additions) the opportunity to approve the additions (or not, as they deem appropriate).

I look forward to your confirmation that you will take this path.

-- Sam


From: Samuel Weiler
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:46 AM

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, S Moonesamy wrote:

There is a special past-past chair advisor.  The explanation for that
is "this year is so strange".  Making such an appointment was not
discussed during the evaluation of the document which was published as
RFC 8788.  There isn't any information about which
rule(s) was used to make that appointment.

The list at [1] also includes Henrik as a tools team advisor.

One might presume that the NomCom chair intends to propose both
additional advisors to the NomCom according to the usual process in section
4.3 of RFC8713.  It is odd to see them announced before the voting
memebers of NomCom are seated.

It is interesting how the number of non-voting NomCom members has
grown over time.  This list has nine(!) non-voting members, and that is
before the voting members have been seated and potentially added more.
NomCom 2019 had 8.  NomCom 2018 had 7.  NomCom 2017 had 6.
NomComs 2016 and 2015 each had only 5. [2]

If I were a voting member of this NomCom, I would be concerned about
being overwhelmed by advisors, particularly since the advisors get a vote on
procedural matters, including the removal of voting NomCom members.

-- Sam


[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2020/

[2] n.b. I'm looking at the lists at [1].  It is possible these NomComs added
advisors that are not listed.  I'm pretty sure NomCom
2015 added Henrik as an advisor.




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