Re: [Last-Call] [Ntp] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds-08

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On 6/12/2020 10:11 AM, Brian Haberman wrote:
> Hi Linda,
> 
> On 6/8/20 6:52 PM, Linda Dunbar via Datatracker wrote:
>> Reviewer: Linda Dunbar
>> Review result: Has Nits
>>
>> I have reviewed this document as part of the Ops area directorate's ongoing
>> effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These
>> comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Ops area directors.
>> Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other
>> last call comments.
>>
>> This document describes the structure of the control messages that were
>> historically used with the Network Time Protocol. Being historical document, I
>> would expect the document to give a description on what the Control Message are
>> for, who is the sender, and who is the receiver, is the Control Message
>> broadcast to every node in the network? or only between some nodes? The
>> document describes the bits in detail for Mode =6 and Mode =7. The RFC1305 has
>> a lot of information, but can't pinpoint the Control message's purpose. Are the
>> control messages for distributing time from Stratum 0 to Stratum 1?  or between
>> network nodes?
> 
> As Ulrich pointed out, these messages are for controlling/monitoring an
> running NTP server. These messages are not meant for server-to-server
> exchanges, rather for "management station" to server exchanges.
> 
> As for the "who uses it" question, I thought section 1.2 captured a good
> representation of that (e.g., ntpdc) for mode 7. Section 1.1 describes
> the basic framework for the use of mode 6, but doesn't provide a
> concrete example.

The Reference Implementation augmented its mode 6 list to incorporate
functionality that was previously only available via mode 7 packets
about 10 years' ago.

As I wrote in another thread, the format specifications of mode 6 and 7
packets, and the base set of mode 6 packet types deserves full Standards
track status.  In no way are these things informational, let alone
historical.

That some do not implement these is a policy choice.

This document should specify mechanism, not policy.

> I can craft some text for section 1.1 that explicitly talks about
> managing NTP servers.
> 
> Regards,
> Brian
> 
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