Re: Passwords over the wire and WebAuthn woes

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On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 02:05:53PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
> 
> So here's the question: the flows that I created are definitely over the 
> wire. But they are over the wire between really one party, the web site 
> owner, since they control the code (= server, client js) on both ends. 
> However as everybody knows, security is not easy so getting those flows 
> *correct* is very hard. I have some experience here, and it's mainly 
> telling me that I'm sure I got things wrong. So  what is the policy 
> within IETF where a site could roll their own, but really shouldn't 
> because it ought to be vetted?  Is standardizing such a thing in scope 
> in IETF or other standards bodies? Because at its heart is not 
> interoperability across implementation, but vetting a security design 
> that goes over the wire.

If I understand you correctly, it can be in scope to write up
(informationally, usually) a protocol for sending stuff over the wire
between two endpoints controlled by the same entity that avoids
security-relevant pitfalls.

-Ben




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