Scott, SWB> This is wayyy too abstract and theoretical. Unfortunately, it was intentional. I was sufficiently surprised that anyone would blame the working group for failing to overcome inappropriate barriers, imposed by management that I fell into academic mode, to try to moderate the reaction. So, try just the end of my note: >> Blame the folks doing the imposing. >> >> Or, to state this more constructively, do not focus on the people who >> become discouraged by external forces that are... discouraging. >> >> Focus in getting those forces turned into something constructive. d/ -- Dave Crocker <mailto:dcrocker@brandenburg.com> Brandenburg InternetWorking <http://www.brandenburg.com> Sunnyvale, CA USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253>, <fax:+1.866.358.5301>