Folks- Having watched this discussion, it seems a couple of data points might be helpful: 1. L2VPN and L3VPN proposed WGs are part of PPVPN WG split Creation of L2VPN and L3VPN WG does not represent addition of new work to the IETF. They are created as part of the process of splitting the PPVPN WG to improve progress and focus it by setting clear directions in the charters. 2. L2VPN work is already chartered within the IETF The discussion about whether this work should be chartered or not happened when the PPVPN WG was being created. Please see minutes and slides from the PPVPN BOF at IETF 49. L2VPN solutions are within the PPVPN charter and milestones. Hope this helps. Alex