--On tirsdag, juni 17, 2003 09:26:24 -0400 James M Galvin <galvin+ietf@eListX.com> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> The suggestion of having two lists, one filtered and a second named > whatever-noise, both with open archives, sounds fine to me, but wouldn't > help the ASRG case.
the ICANN DNSO GA list operated with "ga" and "ga-full" lists ("full" being all spam, crosspostings and postings from moderated posters in addition to the normal list traffic).
the ga-full list was, I believe, not archived.
it served to silence the complaints that it wouldn't be possible to see if moderation was fair or not, which richly repaid the work of setting it up - I think it had approximately 5 memebers.
The presence of the second list may have served its purpose in this case but I believe the mechanism is flawed. A temporary archive is also required.
The point should not be to require people to subscribe to the "full" list in order to review the actions of the moderator but rather to have the full list available for review should an issue arise.
To require the subscription begs the question of why have two lists? Two lists give the *perception* of fairness and positive action but provide marginal (at best) support for review beyond what can be done when only the "moderated" list is available. You still have to contact one of the members to get prior messages or depend on the "victim" to provide copies of messages submitted that were rejected.
What is required is a full list (with or without subscribers) with an archive that includes everything (except viruses and obvious spam) for a period of time. I happen to like 10 days but I've heard others suggest that it really needs to be much longer, perhaps 30, 60, or even 90 days.
In that particular instance, some people even questioned the integrity of the archives at the hosting site. So telling them "if you don't trust us, just archive this yourself, here's the feed" was actually a feature.
Now that I think of it, the list *was* archived on the server of the list, and the archives are even still available.... http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc00/maillist.html contains the archive, if anyone's interested...
Harald