Concerning the censorship issue, the chair gives as his reason for blocking my posts as follows: Your request to the Asrg mailing list Posting of your message titled "Reverse DNS modem pool records." has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request: "I need you to decide if you are a member of this group or not. You have stated that you are an ex-member and you have stated that you plan to form a competing group. If you do not believe in the goals of this group, then I can not expect meaningful contributions from you. Therefore, I do not see the purpose of you posting your opinions to this research group's mailing list. Thank you. If at some point, you decide that you would like to contribute to the research group's efforts to address the problem, then please let me know." The group has not been allowed to see that this is the basis for the censorship policy - forming a group which the chair perceives as being in competition. I do not think in this case the actions qualify as moderation. I have complained to the IRTF chair and got nowhere. After I pointed out this was hardly a legitimate use of moderation most of of the posts I sent following were blocked without any form of comment. Presumably to avoid any more embarassing comments that might reveal the true motive. There are two reasons why ASRG is not an adequate forum for anti-spam standards. First it is a research group, the IPR regime is simply not viable for building an open standard given the amount of IP claims existing. An ad hoc post to the list does not fix that. Second, none of the principal stakeholders with the ability to effect change are participating and a number have explicitly rejected any participation with IETF/IRTF on this topic. Hence the need for an alternate forum. I see no reason why membership of one should cause automatic blacklisting in what is pretending to be an open process in the IRTF. The problem with the IPR policy is the WAY in which it was imposed. It was not even a statement that RFC 2062 rules were in force which might at least be readily understood and have some chance of being enforceable. Instead we just got told that a decision had been taken by unspecified persons and some text copied out of RFC 2062 with no indication that that is where they had been taken from or any changes that might have been made. My objection was one which anyone faced with a unilateral contract would be, just what are you trying to spring here? The group is not even being allowed to discuss this issue because the posts are still being blocked. Phill