My comment below is offered honestly (unlike the snippy comments I posted earlier today)... --- Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> wrote: > > >> and > hopefully and > >> anti-spam wg. First order of business for this wg: analyze > the spam > >> problem and then see if mechanisms can be found to reduce > the amount > >> of > >> spam by 1 - 2 orders of magnitude. After that, we can > decide if it's > >> worth it to write a protocol and try to have it deployed. > > > That sounds more like research than protocol documentation > and > > standardization. Why have you rejected the repeated > pointers to > > the IRTF/IETF ASRG research group? > > Because I'm not interested in researching the problem; I'm > interested > in solving the problem. (I've been doing "spam research" for > several > minutes a day for many years now.) I believe the IETF is > capable of > creating new protocols that would move the spam problem from > something > that is completely out of control to something that is easily > manageable. If this turns out impossible after all, > documenting why > would be a very good thing. Then the researchers can have > another go at > it. If you (not just Iljitsch, but anyone else as well) care AT ALL about dealing with spam via protocols in your lifetime, you really SHOULD be following the ASRG in IRTF. I've been somewhat disoriented because we've been discussing an SMTP replacement in the IETF while the ASRG in IRTF has been heavily focused on mechanisms that work within an SMTP framework - seems backwards to ME, but that's the way it's working. ASRG isn't perfect, but the signal-to-noise ratio is a lot higher, the "research" focus is a lot nearer-term than some of the other IETF RGs, and it does have the advantage that discussion of spam is ON TOPIC for that list. Vern Paxson may hunt me down in Vienna for diverting traffic to ASRG, but ASRG really DOES look like a place where something MIGHT happen. As distinct from the IETG main discussion list. Oh, my bad, I'm back to snippy again... Spencer Dawkins p.s. Anyone CAN request a BoF, you know. And I would think that ASRG would be a reasonable place to look for accomplices for a BoF, and for an eventual IETF WG. I'm not the Genius of IETF Processes, but I have done two BoFs - if you still have questions after reading http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1bof-procedures.txt, please contact me via private e-mail and I'd be glad to help.