On Mon, 26 May 2003 12:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Bob Braden <braden@ISI.EDU> wrote: > So, what happens when the FTC, which is today very business-friendly, > decides to place no restriction at all on "real Commercial" spam? > Given the current politics in Washington, that seems like a likely > scenario. i disagree. from what i have heard from participants in the FTC "spam summit" (and what i viewed in some of the recordings of sessions which were available online briefly), it seems clear that the FTC has done the math and understands the nature of the problem fairly well. however, they are tightly constrained by their mandate from Congress. this is where the real problem lies. there are at least some legislators who are willing to write legislation that refers to standards from recognized standards bodies (e.g., the IETF). this is where the opportunity for the IETF to help lies -- to devise new standards and protocols which won't necessarily stop spam, but which when combined with legislation and properly funded enforcement bodies, can stop or at least cut it down. the international nature of the problem is undersood by at least some legislators as well. Senator Schumer (NY) is already on record as believing that there will need to be international treaties as part of the solution to the spam problem. one of the things that has contributed to the evident lack of progress is the argument about technical means vs legislative/enforcement means. neither is really sufficient, it will take a combination of the two. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security