On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, John A. Loughney wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 06:58:32AM +0200, Pekka Savola allegedly wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > > > [...] However, I think doing some ISOC/IETF joint > > > > tutorials just before an IETF is definitely worth a try. > > > > > > That would unarguably incur a clear increase or tourists and/or > disrupting > > > marketeers/managers. Bu this may already be considered to be > happening -- > > > now we'd just get the cash in. > > Aren't we being a bit holery-than-though? Are we suggesting that we are > superior than tourists, marketers, mangagers? This is one very bad > feature of the IETF - many of us feel that we are superior than others. I'm not saying *superior*, just *different*. I'm not really interested in marketing, management etc. conferences either. I fail to see what added value they might bring, but as long as they wouldn't waste any more time on the meetings (by de facto requiring making dumber slides etc.) or make the meeting room reservations more difficult, it might not be too bad. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings