Re: Datagram? Packet? (was : APEX)

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On 9/26/02, Lloyd Wood wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Fred Baker wrote:
>
>> At 01:12 PM 9/25/2002 +0100, Lloyd Wood wrote:
>> >A datagram is self-describing; full source and
>> >destination. A fragment (IPv4 fragment) may not be.
>>
>> you sure? take a GOOD look at RFC 791... It is
>> completely self-describing in terms of getting itself
>> there and where it belongs in the reassembled datagram.
>> If the other bits and pieces don't arrive, there is
>> another matter, but it is at that point a host issue,
>> not a forwarding issue.
>
>I'm not sure that following fragments relying on a bit in
>another fragment saying 'following fragment' is truly
>self-describing.
>
>(Not having port nos in following fragments would only be
>a host issue if routers and firewalls never peeked at
>ports en route.)
>

So, as originally proposed an IP fragment is a fully
self-routed L3 datagram.

However, in the de facto world of merged L3/L4 routing
(with NATs, load balancers, etc.) it is dependent on state
information and hence is not a datagram.

However, the term was applied before L3/L4 "routing" came
into existence. So the term 'datagram' was correct. And of
course nobody would change the term ex post facto. This is
why these terms are indeed fluid and nebulous.


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