on 8/13/2002 11:25 PM John C Klensin wrote: > be useful, but that the real remedies involving making it > illegal to send UCE, to causing UCE to be sent, and to lie about > whether something was "requested" or "opted in" to... and then > putting serious, criminal-law, teeth into whatever statutes are > enacted. > But that requires much more > political will than I'm seeing (anywhere !), and technical quick > fixes aren't going to help a whole lot other than with tracing, > IMO. One thing the IETF (or more appropriately perhaps, ISOC) could possibly do here is to prepare some sort of document describing the problem from an analytical perspective, clearly stating that it is a socio-political problem that technology cannot handle. Political bodies would have to act on it, which is not guaranteed. But at least the case would be made that it is the politicos' problem, not the geeks' problem. Some potential outline points: lost productivity non-contributory staffing requirements (pure overhead) bandwidth costs from 95th percentile billing (ignore end-user costs) recipient filters demand processing, bandwidth and staff resources transport filters are non-discriminatory as to content, hit spammers *and* bystanders alike protocol solutions guaranteed to mismatch with other jurisdictions ("NO-UCE" means something different in korea vs norway) technical efforts can only address symptoms (forgery, etc) summarily recommending political solutions, with the specific message being that this is a socio-political problem along the lines of property trespass, etc, which each jurisdiction will have to resolve -- Eric A. Hall http://www.ehsco.com/ Internet Core Protocols http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/coreprot/