On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:11:02 -0400 Bill Sommerfeld <sommerfeld@orchard.arlington.ma.us> wrote: > One possibly hairbrained half-technical idea which I haven't seen > suggested elsewhere.. > Defines a SMTP connect banner token which is the moral equivalent of a > "no soliciting" sign. It indicates "unsolicited commercial email not > welcome at this server". actually, it has been proposed before, although a IETF draft on the subject never went anywhere so far as i know. at least some proposed legislation has indicated that a standards body such as the IETF would be defered to if such a standard came into being. such banners are trivial to deploy, and some folks in the spam fighting community deploy them despite the lack of a standard, on general principles. for example: 220 krusty1.krusty-motorsports.com ESMTP Exim 4.05 Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:57:46 +0000 [ NO UCE NO UBE C=US,ST=New York ] in the absence of a rigidly formatted banner deployed at the SMTP level, what we're seeing in some legislation are truly harebrained ideas where there needs to be a web page, with no defined format for specifying policy. an actual IETF standard for a "NO UBE" smtp banner might be a good thing. i personally would prefer NO UBE to NO UCE, as not all UCE is bad. it's the bulk part that creates the scaling problem. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security