randy - hi. i'm a little confused about the exchanges this morning, so bear with me. > i have no idea if this is an issue here, as i am not in contact > with w3c or whomever else. i expect you, pete, etc. will know far > better than i if we are nearing hot water here. i am just asking > you to please be conscious of the issue. this is a fair point. there is no w3c effort on instant messaging, while soap is certainly a w3c effort, i think most folks would be hard-pressed to find much overlap between it and jabber, other than the fact that they both use xml at different points in their stack. > fwiw i have nothing against jabber. some of my best friends jabber > :-). i am even trying to get a secure jabber server working (and > am hitting problems). i am just concerned about process and > precedent. send me a private note explaining the difficulty, and maybe i can help. /mtr