> Mostly, that seems quite reasonable. But I'm interested to understand > what constitutes "non conflict" here. was my reply to pete on this sufficiently helpful? if not, i will beg the help of our sdo lawyers like scott, so you had better be happy with what i said :-). sometimes we have X come to us to move their work through our process after they have not gotten what they wanted from the more appropriate sdo. so, if we were to take it on, we could be badly stepping on someone else's turf. what goes around comes around, and we don't want sdo turf wars. do we want itu to 'help' with smtp? i have no idea if this is an issue here, as i am not in contact with w3c or whomever else. i expect you, pete, etc. will know far better than i if we are nearing hot water here. i am just asking you to please be conscious of the issue. fwiw i have nothing against jabber. some of my best friends jabber :-). i am even trying to get a secure jabber server working (and am hitting problems). i am just concerned about process and precedent. randy