Jeff, > I don't think that I have seen any spam on this or the IETF@ietf.org > Mailing lists in quite a long time. Ad I can only recall two incidences > where I have seen any spam on either list. So I guess I am wondering > why there seems to be a perceived problem with spam on these > Mailing lists??? I've not noticed any spam on either of these lists either. On the other hand, I have noticed a tendancy of people to start to label arbitrary email as spam that otherwise would not be. Traditional metrics for defining spam (header forging, indiscriminate mass mailings, use of third party relays, etc.) don't seem to be understood by many these days, including the trade press. A previous posting asking to be removed due to the amount of spam received (defined by this recipient as being content not interesting to them, despite their membership on the list) is indicative of this problem. One of our staff when sending a message to a customer asking if we could be of any assistance in their deployment of our software resulted in our being reported to a spam organization simply due to an honest mistake in the saluation, and the customer being upset that we got their name wrong. The problem appears to be growing rather than being isolated to a few. I suspect that this is not the appropriate forum for a continued discussion of this issue, so if anyone can recommend a better list, please do let me know. Thanks and Best Regards, -- Tim