Would it be possible for me to fund / help maintain official GNOME Win32 bundles and an SDK? I'd love to improve Windows support of GTK+, but I'm never sure where the status is. Last time I tried jhbuild it failed on something early on -- I believe fontconfig, so that was a bummer. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi; > > On 11 June 2015 at 13:44, anatoly techtonik <techtonik@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> The current stance of everyone involved in the Windows backend for >>> GLib and GTK+ is to stop advertising binary builds for Windows — as we >>> don't do that for any other platform, and nobody sticks around long >>> enough to keep doing that or to set up a continuous integration build >>> for GTK. >> >> Stop advertising == stop supporting? > > If I wanted to say "stop supporting", I would have said that. Not that > we *ever* "supported" binary builds, on any platform. If you want > commercial support, you should contract somebody. > > Currently, we advertise ad hoc Windows builds on gtk.org; those are > out of date, and lack many of the bug fixes that went into GTK. This > situation is confusing for application developers, and makes the > project look bad. It also reflect badly on the great work that > developers have been doing in order to make GTK work well on Windows. > > On top of that, we don't offer binary builds for any other platform, > and instead rely on distributors — like Homebrew on Mac; the *BSD > ports; or the various Linux distributions — to provide binary builds > for them. Windows is an anomaly, mostly because there weren't > good/usable software distributions in the past. This has now changed, > and it's a good thing to ensure that developers on Windows get > reliable, up to date software. > >>> Developers using the G* core platform libraries on Windows are >>> strongly encouraged to use the MSYS2 distribution: >>> >>> https://msys2.github.io/ >> >> Like Git? Ship 200Mb of "additional value" on top? Just for comparison >> Mercurial installation is 37Mb compared with 267Mb of Git. And that for >> every GTK application? > > MSYS2 is for developers, not for end users. > > You're supposed to set up the development enviroment on *your* > development machine(s); once you have built your application, you can > take your binary artefacts, including the DLLs you depend on, put them > into an installer, and let your users download the installer — which > is exactly what you should have done in the past, even with pre-built > DLLs. The intended change is for application developers to get > pre-built, up to date binaries using MSYS2, instead of downloading zip > files from gtk.org that we cannot reliably keep up to date. > > Telling your users to download your application; download DLLs from > gtk.org; shove them into some directory; and, finally, hope for the > best, was never a good software distribution mechanism. > >>> This will provide you with pre-built packages that are known to work >>> and maintained. It also allows you to build your own packages on top >>> of it, and create an installer from the result. >> >> Can GTK be cross-compiled for Windows? > > Yes, it can, and it routinely is. > >>> What the GTK team would love, on the other hand, is somebody putting >>> the effort in setting up and maintaining a continuous integration >>> service — similar to https://build.gnome.org — for Windows builds. >>> This way we would be able to catch build regressions after every >>> commit, without relying on the application developers to file bugs. >> >> http://www.appveyor.com/ if using closed source service is okay. > > No, it's really not — especially if it has to run on the gnome.org > infrastructure. > > Ciao, > Emmanuele. > > -- > https://www.bassi.io > [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] > _______________________________________________ > gtk-devel-list mailing list > gtk-devel-list@xxxxxxxxx > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list -- Jasper _______________________________________________ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
