>It's hard to get stuff into GTK+ because GTK+ has very high quality levels. it does for additions. yet we've had misdesigned stuff like the combo and the file selector around for years. that's where the paradox lies: i love the high standards for additions, but it wasn't applied to the first round of widgets GTK+ got. ok, i understand the rationale: "we know its bad, but we're not replacing with something that isn't really good". net result: misdesigned widgets that live for years. >That's good. If people want something to go into GTK+ then they have to be >prepared to discuss it thoroughly, provide rationale, and go through a few >iterations until they get it right. So far nobody has done that for these >things. It's not up to the GTK+ maintainers to do it all. Stuff happens when >people care enough about it to do it themselves. but when there is no sign that you can ever succeed in adding a widget unless you are part of the core team, the motivation to try is a bit hard to come up with. and that really *is* my perception: if you're not owen or havoc or tim, don't bother thinking you can add a new widget to GTK+. i know i'm not the only person who thinks this, although i'm open to the possibility that its wrong. >> * knobs > >Now you are just being rude. ??? _______________________________________________ gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list