One of the things I would like to see from the community is some type of diagram flow showing the execution of the code. Its very confusing for people beginning on this project to even understand the code, but let alone the flow of the code. I believe if their were such a document showing the flow of execution on the code people starting out in development would be able to contribute alot more things to Gnugk. Thats my take on it. Freddy -----Original Message----- From: openh323gk-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:openh323gk-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of iTS Consult@ncy Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:35 AM To: openh323gk-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: something to think about Thanks, very good letter. The impulses to make "workgroups" that attach certain aspects of GnuGK were there but for some reason never "took off". I see you mentioning Jeremy Mcnamara from NuFone that is related to the asterisk PBX. Another interesting item. So let's make a wish list with items that can be documented and clarified with examples and drawings and ini files. Than some persons can be assigned to a small project with deadlines etc...that like to deliver their experience and knowledge on a certain item and translate this into "readable format". Your remark about the manual made me laugh. I still have a printed copy next to me and need to check it from time to time. Also took me some time to understand it. You are right about the RTFh323RFC as also there is remarkable h323 information on www.protocols.com especially this section http://www.protocols.com/pbook/h323.htm. As also the already documented sections in the www.gnugk.org under documents. Lots of information to be found there. But HOW to translate this info into something understandable to somebody that is NOT some sort of a certified network engineer is ofcourse another issue. The question that I sometimes feel in this project is: " Do we have to? " I am into GnuGk a little more than 1 year now and struggled very hard to understand all the aspects. My requests for clarifying the manual on certain aspects you may find in the list with 0 replies. And this might be right because there is no direct support on any open project. But with always the same persons replying you get the feeling that there is some sort of direct support. But when it comes to writing stuff, releasing stuff etc... than this same people often are alone with also a lot of other work to do and they will put "priorities". So new documentation and releasing new versions can be a hell of a job if you have to do it all alone. So why not share some things if there are 600 interested members, some with tremendous experience, for this list? Therefore I think that if there is a need for additional documentation and some clarification on the manual, ( I had a copy of the manual next to my bed to read it before I went to sleep!), we first dig up the real "pain in the xxx" problems that newcomers or even experienced guys have to deal with and start doing something. I really appreciated your answer and hope to receive more opinions! Tjapko. -----Original Message----- From: openh323gk-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:openh323gk-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Nir Simionovich Sent: Miércoles, 17 de Diciembre de 2003 01:33 p.m. To: openh323gk-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: something to think about Hi Tj, I must admit that I hadn't been a member of the list for a long time, but I believe that the problem your are referring to is something you can see on any product list. Be it an open-source product, or a closed-source product. I do admit that some of the questions re-appear here and there, but I believe it's a good thing. If a certain questions re-appears it means that the subject at hand is, most probably, not covered enough in the documentation, or the current product support for the subject is problematic to understand. For example, we all know that RADIUS integration is something which is built in to GnuGK, however, the actual integration process isn't straight forward. In addition, the modules that are available with most RADIUS servers will not give you what you want exactly. Now, this is just a small example, but I can find many other issues which are not covered by the manual, nor are they explained in the list entirely. I think that the main problem with the current status of things is slightly related to RTFh323RFC. But lets me logical, I don't think that many people here sat down to read the H323 RFC documents, which clearly state what a GateKeeper function is supposed to be, and how it should work. The questions people usually post to the list are ones that show that they didn't read the RFC (I don't claim that all should), or they simply didn't understand the manual (hell, I didn't understand the manual at first - I still don't understand parts of it). My suggestion is this, anyone who has a working GnuGK installation, which had deviated from the "standard" installation, is welcome to write a test-case document, describing the problems encountered and the solutions devised to handle the installation. These documents will be sent to a special moderator (or moderator group) who will evaluate the document, and will post it to the GnuGK website, or a seperate website - Linked from GnuGk.org. This way, the newcomers can have a first-place of referrence where they can dig up primary information. I've been dealing with the Linux Telephony world for the past year, and with GnuGK for the past 6 months. I can honestly say that without people like Mark Spencer (Digium), Jeremy McNamera (Nu-Fone), Aivis (DataTechLabs), Jan (GnuGK), Michal (GnuGK), I wouldn't been able to do what I do today. I believe that all the people on the list are wonderful, and they usually contribute to it when they can, and have something productive to say. Kind Regards, Nir Simionovich iTS Consult@ncy wrote: > Dear all list members, > > This letter is meant to challenge you all. Don't get offended if you don’t > like to read what I have to say. Just throw it in your trash can. > > I am a proud member of the list since some time now in this forum and > enjoyed it very much and I learned a lot from EVERYBODIES comments. > > I see a slight change in the way questions are being answered. It all comes > down to 1 or 2 persons who give excellent support and excellent answers out > of a list of more than 600 persons. In my opinion the goal of a forum is > bypassed when only a selected amount of people answers questions. Than it is > not a forum anymore but a support list. > > My question is; what are the other 598 list members doing with their > experiences? > > Sharing experience is the main goal of this list and typical questions like > "I am behind NAT and I have only 1 way audio" and "How many endpoints can > gnugk support" and How is proxying affecting the CPU load on my system and > what is max amount of proxied users I can have" and how do I setup a good > parent child environment" as also " how do I create a good billing > application" and "how do I setup a good radius environment" are only some of > the repeating issues that where planned to be picked up by some workgroup to > be bundled in a readable FAQ. Nothing happened since ... > > Than of course the fierce discussions between founders and code writers > about standardization and above all the irritation with some of the members > of this list that was caused by non standard arrogant answers. > > This product is "open software" and used in some large organizations that of > course like to protect their add-ons and pieces of code they wrote. I wonder > if this is the right attitude. > > GnuGK can be a much bigger evolved product if EVERYBODY should try to put a > little more effort in answering questions and sharing experiences, > delivering ini file samples and code samples to solve particular situations > etc.. Etc.. . There are so many unanswered questions and stupid questions > simply do not exist. > > Maybe my mail is not worth reading but I for sure miss the old enthusiasm > that once made me a fanatic GnuGK user. > > Kind regards, Tjapko. > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 11/12/2003 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. 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