On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Jon Seymour <jon.seymour@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
>> It would be good if something like:
>>
>> unzip -d $(git --plugins-dir) foobar.zip
>>
>> installed scripts, info files and man pages into a place where git
>> would find them and then have git foobar start working without any
>> additional effort by the package author or user.
> That should be doable without any elaborate "plugin management". We only
> need to enhance the git potty and help system to look for things in a set
> of new directories, and have these unzip installation put their stuff
> there.
I do agree - plugin management is superfluous to current requirements.
>>>
>>> *1* I admit that I didn't read all of them carefully, as I was repelled by
>>> them as soon as I saw phrases like "for people who can grok this concept".
>>
>> Junio: at least quote me accurately. I actually wrote:
>>
>> "Contributors who grok the concept as I conceive it are welcome to
>> submit pull requests."
>>
>> I am a little mystified why use of the word "grok" in this way, given the
>> circumstances, caused you to be "repelled".
>
> What repelled me was not any particular word (and that is exactly why I
> did not even bother to "quote") but your general attitude in the
> discussion. ÂYour tone throughout the discussion appeared at least to me
> that you thought anybody who did not agree with you was incapable of
> understanding something so obvious and clearly right, and only those who
> could "grok" it deserved to join the discussion. ÂWe occasionally have
> seen such people on this list in the past, but luckily not very often.
>
> I am not saying that your thinking should always start from "I could be
> wrong". ÂHowever, I do not think "What is so hard about the concept ...?"
> is the question you should be asking others before asking yourself "Is
> there a better way I could have explained this idea I want others to agree
> with? ÂThe reason why they are still not on the same page as I am could
> well be because all of them are morons, but it may be possible that it is
> because the way I have explained my idea to them was not optimal. ÂPerhaps
> I did not present the motivation and the background well enough to justify
> that the problem I am trying to solve is worth solving, before throwing my
> idea on how to solve it".
>
> After all, different people have different needs and expectations. ÂThe
> discussion on a particular _solution_ can only start after you get people
> on board and share the sense of _need_ to solve something common.
>
Ok, well thanks for taking the time to explain what you really meant.
I agree that I have come across as arrogant; I reacted badly to what I
considered to be insults being heaped in my direction by some.
However, I did myself and my ideas no favors by treating such
criticism with the public disdain that I did.
I also agree that I did a lousy job explaining the concepts let alone
convincing others of their merits.
Finally, I agree that it would be more productive for me to be more
sensitive to what is agreed to be a common need and to try to restrict
my proposed solutions to exactly those needs.
I would appreciate any feedback you (or others) have about:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/172419
In particular, I would be interested in feedback about how to best support:
- multiple extensions - do we want support installing extensions in
their own directories, per Pau's suggestion or simply allow them to
write to a common directory?
- multiple extension directories - how to support Jonathan's
requirement to allow user specific extension directories?
I have some ideas about how to do this which I will propose in a patch
over the next few weeks, but any input I have now would be useful.
Regards,
jon.
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