Hello, On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 13:15:49 +0000 C R <cajhne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Also, the old way of forcing a user to bypass a warning message every time > he/she wants to save to the loaded format is (workflow-wise) much worse > than just learning the "Export" hotkey imho. Also, it's clearly not a > "flaw"; it's not broken, it's working as intended. > If there were a vote, I'd vote to keep it the new way (and I process a very > very high volume of product photos with GIMP). I reckon people are more > likely to complain about a change in UI conventions than praise it... so > here's one praising it. How many theoretical user votes is that worth? ;) That's it! I'm a long-time user of Gimp (this is not an excuse for being right when arguing :-P), and even if I got hurt twice or thrice with the Save as vs Export change, I quickly decided to think about the good reasons for this change, accepted them (and changed the hotkey to export with Ctrl S - hah, I quite never save as .xcf when I process photos, I only use the .xcf storing when I work on graphical constructions). To bring my 2 cents WRT the exchange between Alexandre and A. da Mek, I think that it's very different/difficult to get feedback from users when you don't sell a product more or less directly and distribute it a passive way (downloads on a website for instance). Alexandre is right (and I well know this, being part of commercial and open source projects for more than 15 years), generally the only guys you hear are the ones who make more noise than the silent ones; and the noisy guys are most of the time the angry ones, specifically the ones with a expansive character and an egocentric/narrow way of thinking. A pain in the *ss to deal w/ user support sometimes, a bigger pain when users come from Windows userland (or other kind of dumb users). I saw the Save as vs Export thing discussed in many places but it has been well explained and every time it made sense to people who were asking why, it's just difficult for some guys to understand that the file format in GIMP is xcf and that jpg/tif/etc. are exports, exactly like in *office, where odt is the file format and PDF an export for printing/exanging. The other very important (to my eyes) point when dealing w/ usability is something that may shut the mouth of angry birds: "people" (including me) were complaining about the multiple-window GUI scheme in Gimp 2.6, and for years. Gimp developers finally added a single-window GUI scheme. Isn't that quite a compromise and acceptation from them to (optionally) comply with "standards" and user requests when they make sense? Regards, > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < > alexandre.prokoudine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:20 PM, A. da Mek wrote: > > >>> How can we know how many of them there is, if they simply downgrade to > > >>> 2.6 > > >>> and do not bother to discuss it somewhere? > > >> > > >> > > >> One of the first things I learned when I was in the marketing and PR > > >> business is that unhappy customers do complain. A lot. > > > > > > > > > A producer of a commercial product gets the complaints from the customers > > > who paid for that product and are nor satisfied with it. He does not > > know if > > > there are any customers who were aware of the flaws of his product > > already > > > before they bought it, and so they simply decided to buy another product. > > > > This is simply not how it really works. > > > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > > gimp-developer-list mailing list > > List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx > > List membership: > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list > > > _______________________________________________ > gimp-developer-list mailing list > List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx > List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list -- wwp
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