On 09/01/2010 12:45 PM, yahvuu wrote: > O Peter, Where Art Thou? > This is getting nasty quickly. > > > On 28.08.2010 20:13, Sven Neumann wrote: >> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 07:32 +0200, Martin Nordholts wrote: >> >>>>> If I want a colour , I should find it on the colour menu . If I >>>>> want to >>>>> select layers I should fine the necessary interface elements on the >>>>> layer menu. >>>> >>>> Sounds reasonable. We could duplicate the menu items from the Dockables >>>> menu that raise/create those dialogs in the places where they >>>> belong. So >>>> we would have "Layers dialog" in the "Image/Layers" menu and the like. >>>> That's as simple as editing the XML files in the menus sub-directory. >>>> Perhaps someone wants to come up with a patch... >>> >>> I don't think we should duplicate any menu items. Having things in two >>> places tends to cause unnecessary confusion. A user will have to answer >>> questions like "Why is this menu item in two places? Is it the same menu >>> item? Does it do the same thing? Which one should I use now?" Having >>> just one place to do things avoids such ambiguity and mental friction. >> >> We do that for a few menu items already and I don't think it has ever >> caused any problems. Some examples are (and there are many more): >> >> Edit->Undo History >> View->Navigation Window >> Select->Selection Editor >> Colors->Info->Histogram >> >> Actually I think it's just an oversight that the Layers dialog is >> missing from the Layers menu. IMO all dialogs should be accessible from >> the menus where they belong to functionally. The "Dockables" menu is >> just a place to list all the available dialogs. It should be secondary. > > > Another thing to note is that the 'Add Tab' entry from the dockable > context menu > provides a list of available dockables as well. I think i can explain > why this > additional option for dockable creation does not create much mental > friction: > > When i'm browsing the 'Layer' menu, i'm thinking of what can be done > with layers. > Here is the place to discover the layers dialog -- i can find it here > even if > i do not have prior knowledge that a layers dialog exists at all. > > On the other hand, when adding a tab to an existing docbook using the > 'Add Tab' menu, > i'm configuring my workspace to better suit the task at hand -- that's a > different > kind of process than browsing for layer functionality. > > > Windows->Dockable Dialogs is literally in the middle of these two choices. > Perhaps we can weasel out by proclaiming that this isn't a 'menu' but just > a list of available dialogs and thus no decision has to be made about which > menu to use... That is, paraphrasing what Sven said. Your explanation makes sense, my reasoning was broken. I will try fix this for 2.8 (unless, of course, someone does it before me) / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ "Automatic tab style and removed tab title bar" _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
