On 26/08/10 19:50, oliver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Bcc: > Subject: Re: scanner support should be File->Acquire > Reply-To: > In-Reply-To:<AANLkTi=VFyui2LpnAd6z6e_09HXEit5vLxbX=Nni2NVP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Hello, > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:54:38PM -0400, Christopher Curtis wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Sven Neumann<sven@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> "somewhere else" is not a very intuitive place either. We've had a >>> longer discussion when these items were moved to File->Create and no one >>> came up with a better solution. >> >> I find the 'Create' label non-obvious as well. It makes sense for the >> logo scripts, but I'd suggest considering: > [...] > > The problem is, that file->create as well as file->new do not really create a file. > > A file is created, when it's written to disk. > > It's an image that is created. > > And getting data from a scanner is importing data to make an image out of it, > which maybe later will be saved to a file (or thrown away/deleted). > > It's the "we are used to misnomed menues since decades" as a heritage of > M$-Windows, which sucks again and again, and will not stop. > So... no wonder those discussions will come up again and again. > > > The only creative GUI that I've ever seen is that of Blender. > > You need time to learn it, because it's so different, > but it's good. > > There are other things in the Gimp-GUI that slows down the workflow, > for example in layer menue and in image menue, transformation tools are at > different vertical positions. So you always have to switch in mind, or look up > it again and again, which is time consuming. > > It would be a good idea, IMHO to have same functionality at same vertical > position, so that it doesn't matter if you want to rotate your image or your > layer: the transformation will always be at the same height in the menue. > > To achieve same vertical position, for menue-fields that are not used one could > add an empty field. > > This at first might seem strange, because other programs don't do it that way. > But after people will be used to it, it will make the work with Gimp easier > and faster. (Learn from Blender!) > > Ciao, > Oliver I agree, I also find the file-create-screenshot *-scanner options rather forced and I have to do a double take to make sure it really says what I think it says and I have not misread something. File - Create - Xsane: device dialog seems particularly contorted. I don't really see the need for File - New to be on it's own. The amount of work that is done after this action makes one more selection irrelevant. File - New - Image would be fine. File - New -Scan ; *-From clipboard ; *-screenshot would make more sense than the "create" paradigm. File - Create - button , *-logo et al. seem more natural and are fine. Since the subject here is "(no subject)" I will add a related comments on some similar oddities in the menu system I want to comment on how hard/illogical it is to find the "layers dockable dialogue" without knowing what gimp calls it and knowing that "dockable dialogues" are found on the windows menu. This is a recurrent problem that indicates that this is counter-intuitive for me. I go several times round the loop and sometimes just give up not having found what I know is there in the GUI - somewhere. Some comments: If I want to operate on layers , the most logical place to look is on the layers menu. No go. Having done the tour , I may expect to find something about layers in Windows menu. Nope. So now I'm reduced to scanning every submenu to see if I can spot something about layers that is not on the layers menu. As well as going minutely through the layers menu since I have presumably carelessly missed what MUST be there. Finally, I have to know it's called a dockable dialogue before I'm likely to find it There are similar inconsistencies in several areas . The colour picker "dockable" is not on the Colours menu. This would seem to be another case of organisation by programming implementation , not by USER work requirements. These are all tucked out of the way , two layers down in the hierarchy because they are programmed as "dockables", not put where they need to be in terms of function. If I want a colour , I should find it on the colour menu . If I want to select layers I should fine the necessary interface elements on the layer menu. regards. _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
