Quoting Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@xxxxxxxxx>: > On 7/25/10, Olivier wrote: > >> I cannot count how many times I have been happy to be able to reach almost >> everything from a simple right-click. If other image manipulation >> applications cannot offer this possibility, too bad for them. > > Don't use 2.7 and above then, 'cause Text tool now has its own > right-click menu and its *useful*. However, the Text tool's contextual menu is only presented when the right-click occurs within the text frame; right-clicking outside of the frame still provides access to main menu. > GIMP has three ways to access menu currently: menu bar, top-left > button where ruler's origin is and right-click menu. This is bloat. The first two methods are not always available. > Besides, as already mentioned, some tools can make a much better use > of right-click menu then simply duplicating contents of the whole > app's menu. Consistence in UI is a number one priority. While not a sufficient reason for rejection, it should be noted that such a change (so that tools could have their own right- and/or middle-click functions) would require modifying the code of all the tools (currently all mouse click events are treated by tools as left-clicks since right- and middle-clicks would have already been intercepted). "Consistence in UI" would seem to me an argument FOR the current behavior, especially if one considers that other types of input devices (pads, pens, touchscreens, etc) commonly share only a single type of triggering "click". Imposing a "left-click"-only constraint on tools is certainly limiting, but it simplifies the task of learning the interface (not to mention coding to it, maintaining it, and documenting it). >> interesting, new capabilities, but not try to remove somewhat which has >> existed from the first version of GIMP, simply because you don't use it. > > Dear Olivier, the "because we always did so" kind of argumentation is > an utter nonsense. Please never use it. It's wrong and causes holy > wars, cancer, premature bald spots and heart attacks. Also, god kills > a kitten every time you say that. Far from being "utter nonsense", consistency over time is a valid engineering consideration in any assessment of trade-offs of proposed product changes. This is especially true of user interface changes which have significant downstream impact upon other developers, document teams, and language translators (edit: I almost forgot, and users). > The history of GIMP has proved that some things that were understood > as right turned out to be completely wrong. Undoubtedly true. Nonetheless, the vast majority of the approaches taken by GIMP in the past were the result of sober appraisal and sound reasoning at the time. Certainly circumstances may change and opportunities arise to improve things; but decisions made previously by GIMP developers should not be dismissed lightly, and especially not without reasonable consideration of the original reasons behind them. I have no real objection to modifying the image window context menu behavior. I will say that I often use windows which have neither rulers nor menubar displayed and it is absolutely critical that a way of accessing the menu be available. I'd have no objection to an ALT+right-click option or somesuch; however, I should not be surprised if, after due consideration, the costs of allowing tools to respond to middle- or right-button mouse events are deemed not to outweigh the benefits. _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
