forwarding mistakenly privately sent message. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Gowers <00ai99@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 9:44 PM Subject: Re: improved drawing modes To: Radoslav Schudich <ssuuddoo.dev@xxxxxxxxx> I cannot try TVPaint; It is not for Linux. I know it can be run under WINE, that is something too involved for me to do currently. I think what you mean by 'NEGATIVE', though, is the idea of pairing paint modes together, and then being able to switch between them by pressing the same key. Like, if you wanted to select 'Replace' and the current paint mode was 'Behind' you would press F2 once. If the current paint mode was neither 'Replace' nor 'Behind', then pressing F2 would select behind. I am uncertain about the value of that idea*. However I think the other possibility, that you just have another item on the menu, named 'Opposite' or 'Negative', that is always adjacent to the current mode, so you can quickly select the opposite paint mode, is a good (and more predictable) idea. * that idea would be fine, if the statusbar would notify users when things such as drawing mode were changed. With GIMP as it currently is, the scheme described would give no feedback to the user about the change of paint mode. On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Radoslav Schudich <ssuuddoo.dev@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > agree. I think, there is some mode that erases but just one color, so on > more cases > I cannot use it properly. > The negative think is more a decorative part. > > for example the comparation of the drawing modes: > TV Paint: (the " * " have those, I have used mostly) > F1 color * > F1 stamp * > F2 replace * > F2 behind * > F3 erase * > F3 pantograph * > F4 merge > F4 impress > F5 shade * > F5 light * > F6 colorize * > F6 tint * > F7 grain > F8 smooth > F8 blur * > F9 smear > F9shift > (there are plenty more in the new version, but now I do not remember them) > > GIMP ( I have GIMP in slovak, so I just translate them to EN) > Normal > Dissolve > Behind > Erase color > ----------- > Multiply > Devide > Picture > Overlap > ___________ > Lighten > Darken > Sharp light > Soft light > Grain Extraction > Grain Merge > ____________ > Difference > Sum > ...?? > Only darken > Only lighten > Tint > Brightness > > > from this information we can clearly see, that gimp uses a lot of drawing > modes, > but in my activities I mostly do not use them. Partly its my fault because > I do not know them all, but the drawing modes in the other program > were easier to use for me. If not others. > > I recommend trying the TV Paint program for better view on this issue. > it is free for try. :D > > ssuuddoo > > > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:54:06 +0100, David Gowers <00ai99@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I admit that if Erase were a paint mode, I would use it much more. The > > eraser tool, I generally find does not happen to have brush settings > > convenient to my current task, and so i find it cumbersome. So, I > > think that erase as a paint mode is a good idea. > > I do not understand this 'Negative' paint mode, Radoslav, and I think > > you need to explain it. > > > > Now that we are speaking of paint modes, I know that I would > > personally find very useful one that recolors FG colored pixels to BG > > color. > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Radoslav Schudich > > <ssuuddoo.dev@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Hi, I know, it sounds like a waste, but trust me, it isnt. I firstly > >> didnt > >> even > >> know what are those drawing modes for, but soon it fastened my work. > >> I suppose they should have a shortcut key too. > >> > >> For example: You draw or edit an image with a simple brush, when you > >> want > >> to > >> erase some stuff, you switch to the eraser, but this one has different > >> brush size, > >> shape, opacity than the first tool. Using different modes like erase > >> and > >> plenty more > >> are efficent. (I admit, some of them I never used - solarise, and other > >> modes, > >> I do not use to use). > >> > >> Maybe I am explaining it wrong, but You can try it for your own. > >> > >> The program I used to work with is named TV Paint Animation, > >> for someone it can be an unknown program, but believe me, > >> it is very strong and when comparing prices you can see: > >> > >> PaintShopPro 105 € > >> Photoshop 264-441 € > >> TV Paint Anim. Pro/Std. 950 € / 475 € > >> GIMP free OpenSource :) > >> > >> that TVPA is not just a shit-program, but has features that really make > >> work with > >> images draw/edit more efficient. > >> > >> let me know what do U think > >> > >> ssuuddoo > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:49:48 +0100, Raphaël Quinet <raphael@xxxxxxxx> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:17:26 +0100, "Radoslav Schudich" > >> > <ssuuddoo.dev@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> >> the available drawing modes should have these options too > >> >> (there are plenty (21) drawing modes, but I definitly miss these: > >> >> > >> >> ERASE (to be able to erase the drawing (not just one color) with > >> any > >> >> drawing > >> >> NEGATIVE > >> >> > >> >> -it makes the drawing/editing easier, because when you want to erase > >> >> something, you do not need to change your tool 2 eraser, but can > >> choose > >> >> to > >> >> erase the painting with the brush you currently have. > >> > > >> > Could you explain why it would be easier to do this with additional > >> > drawing modes instead of using the existing shortcuts to switch to > >> the > >> > eraser and then switch back to your previous drawing tool? > >> > > >> > If you use the existing shortcuts for the tools or if you define new > >> > ones, then you only need to press the key for the eraser, erase what > >> > you want, and then press the key for the other paint tool to continue > >> > drawing. You can do that without having to move the mouse to the > >> tool > >> > options and change the paint mode, which is more cumbersome in my > >> > opinion. > >> > > >> > Also, for those who use a drawing tablet, it is much easier to switch > >> > tools than to play with drawing modes. > >> > > >> > -Raphaël > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Gimp-developer mailing list > >> > Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
