rjp@xxxxxxxxxxxx (2002-02-17 at 1219.46 +0100): > As any looked into how all this will work with different window > managers? What window managers grab what keys and can the window The reply is easy: pain. Been there done that. When you fix one thing, someone appears with new keys to kick you down pretty hard. ;] > managers easily be configured to use alt if gimp isn't using it? Well, if you ask me and you (well, distros) are into fixing all the madness, there is a way, called Hyper or Super keys. Most keyboards now have 105 keys, so instead of having Meta and Alt, you can share that in one key (anybody found a program that wants both?) and make the free keys be Hyper (ta da, window manager key!). So not 100% fixed, but at least fixed for many cases, now the problem is to fix the rare cases, not the common one. > It is important to check this since we will otherwise end up with lots > of whiny users who can't figure out why thiings aren't happening like > expected. We already have them (check the tip of the day list, and search for references to Alt). What is more, Branko found another one the other day (Control key, used by xterms, collides with E... ouch, and Sawfish had some versions with similar wrong defaults, see Carol's PNGs). > Also we will need a howto on the web site about making the different > window managers play nice with gimp. OK, I can contribute the Hyper thing, and the application into Sawfish (FVWM2 as soon as I get it back, archived the config again). Carol PNGs only make W become Super, but she needs how to get Super or Hyper working, dunno about Debian defaults, but RH does not have Hyper (I prefer Hyper cos Super shorts to S, like Shift... personal mania). > Also, are there other apps that use shortcuts like we do that might be > using a different set of shift-alt-ctrl keys? Just thinking it would be The doc goes for Shift / Control / Shift+Control and letters for a reason. Then Shift+Alt if needed more. Of course, use Hyper (at wm level) and you never have problems. I would leave Control+Alt for window things (window manager, like maximize, or X, like jump to another VT), so Hyperless people have something at least. I leave out Shift+Alt+Control cos it starts to get complicated, and Alt is reserved for accelerators that have "_" (menus, dialogs and so on), so avoided too. GSR
