i am not spamming the list by sending the edits again, but they were fabulous. i will add them tonight when i update it to reflect the new gripe to ignore that i got with this latest CVS build. but while all of these different shell commands are being added to the how-to, maybe we should make a "how to compile the gimp tar-ball" for people who are having problems with their distributions GIMP or supporting libraries. i think it would be good to have some help if you have never compiled a software package before. so this how to could assume two things, no experience compiling GIMP and a bash shell with properly preset environment variables. i learned about my computer from the GIMP backwards. what i know about Linux, pretty much, i learned so i could make the GIMP work better or give it support for things it didn't have. from this perspective, i think back to my early days on Linux and with GIMP and a simple little compiling the GIMP tar-ball and it's libraries successfully help, without learning the differences between the shells and such would have been nice. a how to for the people who want to break free from their distribution but don't have a Unix system admin who is being paid to help. i was so frustrated by the simple fact that my distribution installed things in /usr and gimp installed itself in /usr/local. i hate to admit this on this list, but only lately am i understanding why this happens and what to do about it. in all of the Linux world, from the information i have seen, i was only told how to change it in ./configure not why and what to think about when deciding. not removing old GIMPs properly kept me from being able to compile guash and gimp-freetype also. it would be nice to be able to go to www.gimp.org as a complete beginner and once you have completed your journey though the information, go on to the more advance groups, like GUG and GIMPi as a seasoned, yet unscathed Good GIMP User. carol