Using GIMP 1.1.27 right now, and it works great, except for a glaring obvious problem (to me anyway): most of the text widgets (especially the XY coorindate ones) won't clear before displaying new text. So, everything is a blur of text after a few changes. This is very annoying when your cursor and XY is changing all the time, and the display is mostly black. I'm assuming that either everybody knows about this bug, or that it's only happening to me. BTW, my installation was via tar/gz, and compiled with all of the latest sub-components (GTK, Perl-GTK, etc.). Also, this may sound like another obvious problem, but how do you draw a hollow or fill circle/box? It seems like you need two more buttons like the selection versions, except something that will draw a box. I know how to draw a line, but there is no meta key combination for the pencil tool that will produce a box (besides manually drawing the four sides, which is rather annoying). -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/)