Weeell.. all I had to do was: re-download gimp from CVS re-install perl and all the gimp-perl reqs hack that gimp makefile - someone committed an empty Makefile in /intl to CVS.. bad somebody! and, voila, it works.. ;) hehehe.. well.. I have no clue what was actually wrong.. I was actually getting a failed assertion while trying to build the plugins/perl makefile - but, thanks Mark, and Merry (white, here in NC) Xmas to everyone :) (I have a paste of the error I was getting if anyone other than Mark is interested in it) -- Blue Lang, Unix Systems Administrator, QSP Inc. - Raleigh, NC Phone: 919.875.6994