Hello Gimpers On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Carey Bunks wrote: > Michael> for the freeze - focus on bug fixing. UI problems can be > Michael> considered bugs, but the truth is they are a design issue. They do work, > Michael> just not as might be desired. > > I think that Michael has a good point here. Why is it useful to > declare a feature freeze? In my opinion the answer is so people can > begin making plans with respect to the upcoming new stable release. > If just anything is allowed after a feature freeze why declare one? It depends how you specify feature freeze. Some specify it as a stop to add anything (nearly a code freeze) some one else specify it as a clean up and fix time until we enter code freeze. Me my self specify it as a clean up and fix time (that includes e.g cleaning the UI to be consistent). > Olof> There was no design specifications (if I'm not totally out > Olof> in the sky flying). We code and write etc. for the fun and > Olof> joy not to do specifications (don't interpret me wrong > Olof> design specifications is a very good thing most of the > Olof> time). > > There is no formal design specification. However, there is an > informal one. When the feature freeze was announce there was a call > to declare all the features that would be included in version 1.2. > These UI issues were not declared, and, as Michael already said, they > are not bugs. I think they where declared we Sven, Micth, Simon and me made a virtual CVS check in 8 August 1999. Which was sent to the mailing list Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:10:15 +0200 (CEST) under the subject "CCC GIMP hacking and conclusions. (virtual CVS checkin)" the delay due to that the list was down. Here Micth stated a lot of nice cleanups (just go into the mail archive and read, since I think sending the mail as an attachment is a bit to much) The mail was not "rejected" from the Gimp dev-mail community. I think that document is a quite good specification about the UI. > Olof, I think that the UI changes you are working on are great and > need to be included in the GIMP. I'm not working on any changes. I'm writing the help system just now, which makes it painfully obvious that the UI isn't consistent. > However, many people have worked > hard (I'm not just speaking for myself) based on the presumption of a > freeze. I think that should be respected. I know that a lot of people has worked hard, me my self included. The discussion is not about disrespect. Trust me I respect you and other hard working people 100%, but I also respect a user demanding a good UI to work within. Best Wishes Olof S Kylander
