On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 12:33 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "SR" == Scott Robbins <scottro@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > SR> I've never quite understood this logic. If it's working, there is a > SR> change in Fedora, and it doesn't work, this is NVidia's job to fix? > > Yes, precisely. > > Their code is not open; we can't fix it. Who else's job could it > possibly be but their when they are the only ones with the code? Actually, this is an oversimplified view based on pure ideology - and exactly the one which causes issues between the OpenSource and other communities. It assumes that Fedora's code is perfect because it's open, and that because nVidia's code broke from a change in Fedora code that the problem must be nVidia's. History proves something different - that the real problem could be in either code base, and has been before. Since nVidia is not likely to open their code anytime soon, the issues of how to troubleshoot where the problems lie can't be completely collaborative. And this decision by nVidia means they wind up having to look at both code bases to find the problem, with little help from Fedora Project. They then either patch their own code, submit a patch to the Fedora Project team (which then has to go through Fedora's normal approval process), or perhaps do both. The conflict lies in that the Fedora "everything must be OpenSource" ideologues often cop a pretty nasty attitude towards proprietary vendors like nVidia, and that favor is, unfortunately, often returned. The pragmatic reality is that we will all be dealing with a mix of OpenSource and proprietary software for the foreseeable future, whether we like it or not. Given that, it would help if all parties involved at least tried to hold out the proverbial olive branch and get along. That way, actual problems might get fixed without the various camps getting into pissing contests about who actually broke what and who is responsible, and true software choice is preserved for everyone... Cheers, Chris -- ==================================================== "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." --George Orwell -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
