On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Jesse Keating <jkeating@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 23:24 -0600, Jerry Amundson wrote: >> >> A screwed up, hung, console wrecks my plan for Linux World Domination. >> And no-one can deny that the X tools have the same basic goal. >> Usability, even for technical tasks. > > Regardless of how the X is recovered, once hung, the damage is done. We > need to work on not having a hang, rather than squabbling about how to > recover from the hang. True. >> The alternate VT, kill, restart, is more work for me. >> The X -config, change zap setting, is more work for me. >> The server reboot looks bad to everyone. >> If my employer sees me working more, they buy less Linux - the Windows >> servers are faster to administer in their eyes. > > The laughing started when you were using X directly on the server > machine to configure it. Why? That's why X is network aware and > graphical tools are easily reached either through exported X connection > (ssh). Aside from VNC, there is no need for X itself to run on your > server, so any kind of graphical glitch would be on the client side, and > a reboot there isn't nearly as laughable as rebooting the server itself > and causing downtime. Excellent point! I've now had my epiphany regarding C-A-Bs in X, as I did with SElinux several weeks ago. The good of the disabled case outweighs the bad with C-A-Bs enabled, in my new opinion. > Of course, configuration changes shouldn't be done without scheduled > downtime anyway, even if it doesn't get used. > > Trying to argue that one can't easily reset the X server on a running > server will cause Linux to fall out of favor in the data center is > laughable at best. OK, that seemed to be a great deal of laughing at my expense, but I'm OK with it. :-) Thanks for your patience. I really should have thought this through, rather than focusing on the X desktop in front of me. preferring beer over mai-tai's anyway, jerry -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
