Re: X.org server 1.5: An ABI Too Far?

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Rodd Clarkson wrote:
On the other hand, how much of this is true: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=103059&highlight=xorg+1.5

Is it the case that "The Rawhide packages, despite having 1.4.x version
numbers, are actually built from the development branch that will
eventually become xserver 1.5, and are not endorsed or supported by the
X.org Foundation."?

The response there is pretty accurate, the F9 packages are the upstream xserver release codebase, tentatively scheduled to be released in May, although the release date page is still totally blank on the wiki there.

I would not expect an officially 'supported' driver to be available yet. I do expect them to be working on it and I would expect the officially supported driver to be available when the X version is officially released. There is no reasonable excuse for not getting it done on time when the release cycle is this long. I would really appreciate a beta program to have a partially working driver available earlier than that.

Has the ABI been locked down?  Or is rawhide using an 'volatile' ABI?

No, but also no. Until 'released' its considered 'not stable' which is somewhat less than 'volatile' and is definitely not 'locked down'.. which apparently scares nVidia into not taking (any public) action on it yet. But somehow Adam Jackson, et. al. working on X both downstream and upstream, have quite a few drivers including 3d for intel chipsets working pretty nicely.. with that 'volatile' codebase.

<rant>
I'm pretty sure that fear over support backlash is the real issue with nVidia getting a driver out the door, not the ability to work with the volatile code... of course thats nothing but speculation. You can see from the official response in that very thread you linked that 'support' is a key term, and its the same for every response I've seen on unreleased X builds over the last 5 years. They have had a beta windows driver program for a long time but still have not taken steps to get one going on the linux side... where they would need to have even less support response because the community helps itself. </rant>

If the later is true, should xorg-1.5 be dropped given the near BETA
status of f9?  When does Fedora development require a stable ABI for
inclusion?

I think Kevin Kofler answered this one spot on; I'm pretty certain the X version in F9 won't be changing to accommodate slow response of proprietary driver developers (to be fair, its probably slow response of their management).

[1] http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.4

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