On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 08:46:52PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 23:38 -0500, Jim Cornette wrote: > > > > Susend now shows on the menu but shutdown now is missing after killing X > > with ctl-alt-backspace. > > > > lockscreen > > logout jim > > Suspend > > (no shutdown displayed) > > > > There is some progress. Maybe things will be as designed after the > > relabel and reboot. > > This is by design at this point. Upstream(?) feels that shutdown > shouldn't be an option, just suspend. Personally I think that's a load > of crap, but that's just my personal opinion. I have to use shut down a > lot w/ my laptop since hibernate isn't working and my laptop will eat > the battery in very short time if I leave it suspended and unplugged. Upstream taking funny mushrooms: Film at 11. We're a way off from suspend working universally, and even if we were in good shape there, there are many valid reasons to shutdown. - Upgrading to a new kernel is now one extra step (log out, and then shutdown) (And users expecting it to resume back into their desktop [why wouldn't they? They selected suspend] will be in for a shock, you can't suspend one kernel, and resume into another version). - Adding/Removing hardware will make very strange things happen when you resume. (imagine the case where you upgrade a video card to one that needs a different driver -- before, we would fail to start X, and run system-config-display. On the resume path, we just try to jump back into the X driver for hardware we no longer have, which is guaranteed to cause fireworks) - Like a responsible end-user, you apply your updates, which update a bunch of system daemons. With the suspend/resume scenario, you now have to restart all those by hand, as the boot process will resume us to a state where we're running the older versions. - You install a bunch of Xorg updates. Again, we'll resume back into the old X, instead of the new one. Users will have to ctrl-alt-backspace to run the new one. Seriously, this idea is crack, and bad crack at that. Dave -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list