On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:09 -0500, William Hooper wrote: > > You are the one trying to make a distiction between "test" and "release > candidate". They are the same thing. > About 2 weeks ago people on the test list were making a distinction. Upgrades from test releases were out. Upgrades from release candidates were OK. Their distinction, not mine. > > Let me ask you this: if an upgrade from a test release or a release > > candidate aren't guaranteed, how can you guarantee that an upgrade from a > > previous final release will work ? > > Those are what get tested. Trying to see if one random group of testing > packages will update to another group of testing packages doesn't have > anything to do with upgrading from a known set of released packages to a > known set of release packages. How do you know what is on the previous release machine ? The user might or might not have done a bunch of upgrading since the install. > [snip] > > > > "It" has ? Or is there a bug in here somewhere that breaks things all > > on its own that has nothing to do with the fact that an upgrade is involved > > and the upgrade is just an excuse so that people don't give the issue some > > attention. > > The issue in this thread is a direct result of you trying to upgrade. End > of story. I'll bet you are wrong. First of all, I don't have an issue in this thread. Someone else did. I'll bet that 99% of all issues are there whether it is an upgrade or it is a fresh install. > > Let me tell you a little story: > [snip] > > My sound issue had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that an > > upgrade was involved. > > Look at the subject again. No one here is talking about sound. I used it as an example of how the upgrade card was played incorrectly. I went through all that work of doing a fresh install and it had NOTHING to do with the problem. > >> So the general rule of thumb is that it will probably work most of the > >> time, but you will likely need to spend a little time patching things up. > >> > > > > I don't understand what should need patching. All the files in a new > > install are installed via packages. All the files in an upgrade are > > installed from packages. As long as an install has the latest packages, > > they should be the same. If not, how can we trust the update process ? > > Files that are changed outside of the normal RPM process (a big example > are config files) aren't always over written. Additionally, some testing > packages might appear "newer" than release packages, so they aren't > upgraded. Your issue is most likely that you still have the wrong > fedora-release RPM. We checked that about an hour ago: $ rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-3-8 $ rpm -ql fedora-release /etc/fedora-release /etc/issue /etc/issue.net /etc/redhat-release /etc/sysconfig/rhn /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources /etc/yum.repos.d /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo /usr/share/doc/HTML /usr/share/doc/HTML/css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/content.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/docbook.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/layout.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/print.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/img /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-bl.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-br.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-tl.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-tr.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-download.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-faq.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-fedora_logo.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-projects.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3 /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/GPL /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-Accessibility /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-x86-en /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-x86-en.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RELEASE-NOTES-x86-en /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RELEASE-NOTES-x86-en.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-beta /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/autorun-template /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/eula.txt /usr/share/eula/eula.en_US /usr/share/firstboot/modules/eula.py > Of course I'm guess here, because you are more > interesting in ranting on about upgrading than giving us the info to help > you. See other threads. > > -- > William Hooper > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc