Re: new criterion proposal: Graphical package managers

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On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:37 AM Kamil Paral <kparal@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I find it hard to draw the line somewhere between all these cases. So aborting a previous operation is not ok, but not even starting a second operation is ok? Installing and removing the same package is not blocking? What about installing two different packages, would that block? What about installing A and removing B? I don't honestly think it's a good idea to dig into the million of sub-cases here.

> Just imagine we're not talking about the package manager but a file manager instead. If you could either create a file, or remove a file, but you couldn't create&remove the file, or you couldn't remove 2 different either sequentially or together, that would clearly be a blocker (I hope). It would be quite obvious that this is a basic functionality. So why isn't this a basic functionality for the package manager? And why do we have (it seems) a different quality bar for dnf vs graphical package managers? I don't think these bugs would be waived for dnf.
>
I agree with František's comment that the DNF case is different enough
in how it functions that it's not a fair comparison. I do think that
aborting a previous operation is not okay, but refusing to start a
second operation until the first is done is. Ideally with a clear
message explaining why, but not necessarily.

So I still disagree with you, but my position is softening. I'd rather
we have a clearly-defined and understood set of criteria that I
disagree with in some places than to try to make every criterion match
my preferences. :-) So while I disagree, I'm happy to move forward
with this.

> So let's reduce the original requirement into something like this:
> * configure software sources by enabling/disabling pre-defined official repositories and then adjust the available software pool accordingly
>
> Does it sound better?

Yes, that works for me.



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