On Fri, 2018-09-21 at 13:52 -0400, Harold Dost wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 1:30 PM Adam Williamson > <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 22:35 -0400, Harold Dost wrote: > > > Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome? > > > > Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media > > around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media > > for testing, then another few hours to run complete installs from them > > all (since optical media are *slow*). > > > > If it's not burdensome, why does no-one except the paid RH folks ever > > seem to run the test? And usually at the last minute, at that? > > > > I've had to buy three DVD-RW drives *solely for the purpose of being > > able to test this* (they keep dying, the things aren't terribly > > reliable). And I keep a spindle of media around, again, solely for the > > purpose of testing this, I don't use them for anything else. (In fact > > I've nearly run out, so if we keep this criteria, I'm gonna have to go > > out and blow some money on some more media I won't ever use for > > anything but testing this). > > > > If people outside of the RH team ever actually ran this test, I'd be > > more in favour of keeping it, but I don't think any of the people > > speaking up about how vital this is to them have ever actually chipped > > in and run the test before. > > -- > > Adam Williamson > > Fedora QA Community Monkey > > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net > > http://www.happyassassin.net > > _______________________________________________ > > test mailing list -- test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an email to test-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > I want to make sure that I'm on the same page. > > Based on: > > Yes. We do not have 'burning optical discs from Fedora must work' in > > the release criteria, and never have. What we have in the release > > criteria is this: > > "Release-blocking live and dedicated installer images must boot when > > written to optical media of an appropriate size" > > Matthew is proposing that we drop that. > > Would it be calculable based on the ISO size whether it would author > correctly (only in terms of size) with out needing to burn it to a > real disk? Then burning to a disk would not be necessary, but prevents > the image from becoming overly bloated. No. See the other subthread where a couple of bugs from the Fedora 21 era showed that it's possible for ISO files to boot fine from USB, or when attached to a VM, but not boot when written to an actual optical disc. We already have a size check test which is automated, but just ensuring the ISO file is not larger than a physical CD or DVD is not sufficient to be sure it actually boots. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ test mailing list -- test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to test-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
