Re: proposal: drop optical media from release criteria

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Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome? Similar to another blocker that was being proposed, maybe it's not something that _must_ be tested, but if it's known to be broken that it should block a final. Maybe I'm missing something, but unless the image is over the capacity of a DVD, what would prevent the success of an installation?

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 21:54 Ed Greshko <ed.greshko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 9/21/18 9:47 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:08 PM Ed Greshko <ed.greshko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On 9/21/18 7:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:47 PM Samuel Sieb <samuel@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is true, but there is also a reasonable chance or losing them,
>>>> breaking them, or other random failures.  When a flash drive dies, it's
>>>> gone, very difficult to recover if even possible.  I would not recommend
>>>> a flash drive (or DVD) alone for long-term storage.
>>> All CD and DVD consumer burnable (R or RW) are not suitable for long
>>> term storage. The dyes used are not gonna very long, maybe a few
>>> years. If they're kept in the dark at stable temperature, I'd be
>>> surprised if they lasted 5 years. Bluray is a different story, and
>>> with proper storage shows some promise of being readable for quite a
>>> while, but you're gonna have to put a drive, cables, and a computer
>>> into cold storage along with the discs so... good luck.
>>>
>> FWIW, I think I must be very lucky.  I have just checked several of my TDK DVD-RW
>> disks that were written between 2003 and 2005.
>> I'd forgotten all about them until reading this.  They've been sitting on the top of
>> a cabinet that is exposed to indirect sunlight and temp ranges of
>> between the 60's and 80's and high humidity.  (I fight with my wife about the A/C in
>> the summer).
>>
>> All of them read just fine.  Which is good since I'd been looking for the photos of
>> one of our departed cats which were "lost" due to an HD failure.
> Yes, lucky. Make copies, quick!
>

Well, since I did forget about them and it has been 15 years (3X your upper end
estimate) I don't think they are that important.  I'll
check them again in another 15 years.  If I have a DVD drive at that time.  :-)

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