On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 01:23:10PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 10:03:34AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > The blocker process is not a tool for the rest of the project to use as > > a reminder system. It doesn't work very well for that. The expectation > [...] > > * QA tests Thing and finds no-one ever even started working on it > > * QA files bug and marks it blocker > > * Team Thing starts working on Thing > > I realize that's an exaggerated example, but it's just to make the > > point clear. That's not a sane development process. > > Yeah; if this wasn't clear in my last message, I think that it does, > unfortunately, seem to work that way by default for lack of any > better/stronger schedule reminder system. I think in any case where we > *do* hit something which slipped off whichever non-QA schedule, we > should fix _that_ side first. > > Now, maybe it is also the case that the wallpaper is not really an > appropriate blocker. I'm pretty sympathetic to that point on its own, > too. So, I think the appropriate thing to do here is to drop this > particular blocker, but add it to something else that serves as a > that reminder system — ideally, with some form of teeth. Since this > seems like a program management function, I'm going to talk to Jan > Kurik — Fedora Program Manager — about it. This sounds like a very good idea to me, Matthew. To be clear, I wasn't speaking for anyone on the Design team, nor trying to describe their team process. Rather I was noting that I've observed that deadlines (which correspond to the blocker process, obviously) have kicked up efforts on background wp. I don't think anyone on the Design team intends to abuse the blocker process, nor do I think they're directly doing so. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
