On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:49:23 +0200 Michael Schwendt <mschwendt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 10:15:06 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > I've been running gnome on what will become F-21 using my > > "production work laptop" since mid April with out any major issues > > WRT to booting or any of the core functionality. > > Compare that with several attempts at trying to upgrade F20 to F21 > since early July. Is any script still checking for and reporting > upgrade path violations? I'm not convinced that a distro-sync upgrade > is bullet-proof. Not that I know of. We could definitely do such a run now... > Rawhide has broken into pieces regularly before that. It's still a > dumping ground, where packagers release builds they haven't even > tried to start themselves. Well, I have been running rawhide full time here, and I wouldn't say that. There has been breakage, but IMHO it's all be reasonably minor and easy to work around. Perhaps it's more so with your HW? Without more details it's hard to say more here... > > In terms of "various forms of systemd/plymouth/gdm breakage" I don't > > remember ever in this cycle having my laptop being unable to boot. Yeah, same here. I have been using gdm lately, but before that was using lightdm and it worked fine. > Symptoms not present with F20: > - the gray X login screen appears, but no users are displayed at the > centre (some race or stale state after shutdown problems?) > - systemd is stuck in a loop waiting for 4-5 items, such as devices > during shutdown or reboot - no patience to wait for more than two > minutes! Adam and I both hit this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1123170 I'm seeing it only sometimes. ;( It needs someone seeing it to help debug. > - the small fedora logo animation fills up till its completely > white, then nothing happens because systemd is waiting for something, > pressing reboot keys doesn't lead to anything I've seen this here on debug kernels. It's the touchscreen on this laptop bouncing on and off the usb bus. systemd is waiting for it which sometimes takes a minute. Upstream is aware and working on it. Bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1133349 > - a freshly upgrade F20-to-F21 only booted to the maintenance prompt > or couldn't decrypt the LUKS home -> upgrading from non-updated F20 > to F21 has helped more than once No idea there. kevin
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