On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 18:02 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote: > OK, so the systemd people say, it is perfecly fine you can not reboot via > ctrl-alt-del (while it was always possible with init) and give me the > advice to enable sysrq for the purpose, and sysrq people say, it's not for > users, we will not enable it, it is dangerous. > > Now I have a server, what should I do there? Use debian, right. Pondered this thread before saying anything. I'm still trying to decide if systemd is an overall improvement or a regression myself. But no, this case isn't a reason to use Debian. The default in Fedora is the only sane one because it is the safe choice. If you want sysrq and understand the implications you can enable it if, and only if, it makes sense in your situation. That is better than expecting every user installing a system they won't have absolute physical control over to know about and remember to disable it. And I was going to agree that systemd makes a system a lot less reliable in the face of serious problems since it needs a lot more files to be intact for it to get to runlevel S, especially in a situation where you don't have the physical presence to insert rescue media. But then I remembered that if things have really went wrong you could boot with init=/usr/bin/bash. And if you are in a remote colo situation it is probably prudent anyway to ensure rescue media is always in a non-default boot location so you can regain control.
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