On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 17:29 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > On 03/21/2012 05:10 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 23:59 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > On 03/21/2012 04:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > Hey, folks. > > > > > > > > So here's some funny Fedora archaeology: QA is not actually officially a > > > > Fedora sub-project. I didn't know this (and didn't particularly care!), > > > > and neither did I know that, aeons ago (well, last year), jlaska kicked > > > > off an attempt to make us one. As sub-project requests are filed as > > > > Board trac tickets, I can't link to it because of the Board's silly > > > > policy of making trac tickets private, so only they and jlaska can see > > > > it. But I'm assured it exists. If anyone is super-interested in this > > > > exciting, nay thrilling process, it's documented at > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DefiningProjects#Fedora_Projects . > > > > > > > > Anyway, Robyn tells me that with its customary, legendary efficiency and > > > > speed, the Board has come to a swift decision a mere eight months later > > > > that QA should be accepted as a sub-project. > > > I'm a bit amazed that the board is going to approve some proposal that > > > has not been presented to the QA community ( and I'm equally amazed that > > > James did not present that to the QA community ) > > > > > > I for one would like to know exactly the details and the content of that > > > ticket and an justification from the board on why it's approving an > > > proposal that affects the whole QA community without the QA community > > > actually knowing anything about it. > The QA community discussed it at a meeting in 2011. Logs are here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110418 > > We're approving it, in my humble, speaking only for myself opinion, > because Mr. Laska filed the request with what appears to be reasonable > backup and consensus amongst the group. Sigh. There I go, relying on my memory again. I clearly didn't have enough lunch whiskey today. I did check the list archives and didn't find any discussion there, but forgot to check the meeting archives. My bad! I was at the meeting but had clearly forgotten all about it. It looks like you weren't there, Johann, which is probably why you don't remember it :) Still, score one for our obsessive recording of meetings! > > As far as I understand it, it really doesn't have any particular > > material impact on us. It seems to have just been one of those things > > where someone looked at the list of projects - > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects - and wondered why the heck QA > > wasn't on there. As far as I can figure out from the wiki, Official > > Project Status doesn't actually confer any particular responsibilities > > or rights or obligations or anything on us. I can't see where it's going > > to have any kind of concrete impact on what we do, at all. It really > > just seems to be a 'duh, of COURSE QA should be on that list' thing. > The details are copy-pasted here: > At a recent QA team meeting, StylusEater? asked whether Fedora QA was > a project or a SIG. I haven't paid much attention to this designation > so far, since it didn't seem relevant or needed at the time. However, > StylusEater? noted this came up while investigating adding "Quality > Assurance" to the list of sub-projects on the wiki left navigation > menu. It would be nice to include "Quality Assurance" on the wiki left > side navigation menu to improve advertising for the team. However, to > be added to that list, the websites team correctly noted that QA must > first be blessed as a sub-project. According to DefiningProjects, the > board is responsible for making this decision. > > So, the ultimate goal ... is to include 'quality assurance' under the > list of sub-projects in the left-side navigation menu on the wiki. Is > approval as a project required to achieve this? If so, I'd like to get > the ball rolling to define QA as a sub-project. > > Aside: The current state of projects and SIGs is slightly confusing on > the wiki. Fr example, BugZappers?, a QA sub-project, is listed as a > SIG and listed as a project in the left nav-menu. Also, QA is listed > as sub-project on the wiki start page, but not in the list of > projects. Thanks for the clarification, Robyn! Sorry I didn't double-check this with you first. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
