On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Jørn Lomax <northlomax@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 08/12/2012 11:37, Brendan Jones wrote: >> >> On 12/08/2012 01:25 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >>> >>> On 6 December 2012 19:06, Christopher Antila >>> <crantila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 5 December 2012 18:25:31 Brendan Jones wrote: >>> >>> >> <snip> >>> >>> >>> I think specifically the browser was simply that Konqueror doesn't >>> really work well enough and people would be surprised not to find a >>> browser unless they were hoping for a /really/ focused system as it's >>> such a central part of a computer system these days. (You could even >>> make a case for it being important to audio production.) >>> >>> You can probably draw up three categories of stuff to be considered to >>> various degrees: >>> 1. Audio tools. As many as can realistically be put on there. >>> 2. Non-audio tools that might have an audio creation use, e.g. >>> Inkscape, webcam software (performance videos), that kind of thing. >>> Lots of this is already in the base we build on anyway. >>> 3. Things that people will be surprised if they don't find (i.e. you >>> forget for a second you're on this specialist audio spin and try to do >>> something a computer normally does). A browser is the most obvious, a >>> package manager is less obvious, but of course the route by which they >>> can add anything they do think they need. Probably everything in here >>> is in the base we build on anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>> Or in conclusion: >>>> >>>> Let's waste our time on audio-specific things >>> >>> (a.k.a. 'me too') >>> >> I think we need to get this locked down by the 11th so all of this is >> probably a little to late. >> >> I'm getting conflicting considerations regarding size and composition, >> so I'll outline them here. >> >> - Christopher Wickert has stated that a spin should serve a specific >> purpose. Packages should be identified for removal that do not meet the >> needs of the spin - so not really a size consideration, more about >> concept (CC'ed Chris here in case I got this wrong). >> >> - a recent email on the spins list indicated that space and bandwith >> issues are real infrastructure concerns regarding the approval of spins >> [1]. I don't know if this is more to do with the number of spins of if >> this is something that each individual spin should also keep in mind. >> I have asked the question on the list and will report back >> >> - for the rest of use the final size of the spin doesn't seem to be an >> issue, as long as we have everything we need by default. Having said >> that, nice to have packages can be installed with relative ease post >> install or into the liveuser overlay. >> >> As an exercise I ran a query on RPM's by size against the latest >> compose. This was done in the live environment [2]. I haven't realy gone >> through this yet and won't have time to do so until tomorrow. >> >> Any changes from here should be run past our wrangler. I imagine that >> any significant additional packages added to the nightly kickstarts will >> have to be run by the Spins SIG after the 11th. (Again Christoper this >> is what I understand to be the case - please correct me if I'm wrong) >> >> [1] >> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2012-December/002641.html >> [2] http://bsjones.fedorapeople.org/projects/fedora-jam-rpm-by-size.txt >> _______________________________________________ >> music mailing list >> music@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > Looking at that list, there is nothing shouting out "remove me". Not sure > what is pulling in mysql-server though. I could run an 'rpm -q --whatrequires' to figure that out. And even though the freed space is small, I'd still like to see 'calligra-sheets', 'calligra-words' and 'calligra-stage' removed. > > Shutter and the fluid-soundfonts (because they are **huge**) are the only > ones I can see myself *maybe* wanting to remove. > > But until we know the status for the approval, I don't think we should mess > any more with the kickstart > > -- > Jørn Lomax > Nestleder Studentutvalget NT-Fak > CS Student University of Tromsø > Blog: http://lurimax.posterous.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list > music@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; Computational Journalism Publishers Workbench: http://znmeb.github.com/Computational-Journalism-Publishers-Workbench/ How the Hell can the lion sleep with all those people singing "A weem oh way!" at the top of their lungs? _______________________________________________ music mailing list music@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music
