Re: Helping to improve advertising of test days and other things

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Arnav Kalra píše v Út 21. 08. 2012 v 00:11 +0530:
> I have a netbook which i can use for this purpose. How can i help?

When there is a test day just join us and participate. You can also test
Fedora any time during the test cycle and report problems to bugzilla.

Jiri

> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jiri Eischmann
> <eischmann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         Arnav Kalra píše v Po 20. 08. 2012 v 22:28 +0530:
>         > Maybe we should release virtualbox/vmware images so that
>         people can
>         > easily test fedora. Is fedora on Google plus? If yes then we
>         can
>         > schedule events on Google plus and send invites.
>         
>         
>         The problem is that many test days require testing on bare
>         metal,
>         they're usually the most important ones (power management,
>         graphics
>         drivers,...). But it might be useful for others.
>         Fedora is on G+, but I have no idea who is in charge of the
>         account.
>         
>         Jiri
>         
>         > On Aug 20, 2012 8:21 PM, "Jiri Eischmann"
>         <eischmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
>         > wrote:
>         >         Robyn Bergeron píše v Pá 17. 08. 2012 v 12:13 -0700:
>         >         > Hey,
>         >         >
>         >         > So, I was just hanging out in the weekly kernel
>         meeting on
>         >         IRC, and
>         >         > asked how their virtual fad for kernel regression
>         testing
>         >         went, and
>         >         > heard that they had incredibly low turnout, and it
>         was also
>         >         noted that
>         >         > test days in general kind of have low or less than
>         we'd like
>         >         to have
>         >         > turnout.  Which seems like something we can help
>         with, in a
>         >         few ways:
>         >         >
>         >         > #1: Work with the QA team to help them figure out
>         how to get
>         >         information
>         >         > to us so that we can get it out to various
>         channels -
>         >         twitter, facebook,
>         >         > etc. - and what information we'd need and when.
>         >         >
>         >         > A lot of times, it seems like testing might sound
>         >         daunting/"not for me"
>         >         > when in reality, it might be easy or take 5
>         minutes or etc.
>         >         So maybe
>         >         > things we could ask for would be...
>         >         >
>         >         > * How long does this take?
>         >         > * Is this "easy", "hard," ... what skills do you
>         need?
>         >         > * Is this a "you just need a USB key and a way to
>         download"
>         >         or is this
>         >         > potentially going to destroy your system?
>         >         >
>         >         > For the kernel regression virtual fad - which
>         wasn't really
>         >         a test day -
>         >         > as an example, it's (a) got the word "kernel" in
>         it, which I
>         >         think
>         >         > automatically makes a lot of people say "uhoh, not
>         for me,"
>         >         even though
>         >         > there may have been ways for them to participate.
>         >         >
>         >         > Anyway: it seems like something we could add value
>         to - just
>         >         with
>         >         > something like, "Send us your info a week in
>         advance, we'll
>         >         work up some
>         >         > tweets or content and help drive folks back to
>         you."
>         >         >
>         >         > #2: See if there are additional things we could
>         produce that
>         >         can help
>         >         > people get acquainted with the idea or process of
>         testing.
>         >         >
>         >         > Maybe a video how-to? Not really sure here what
>         would be
>         >         valuable -
>         >         > would be something to reach out to the QA folks
>         about.
>         >         >
>         >         > #3: Josh Boyer added in the kernel meeting that it
>         would be
>         >         cool to just
>         >         > have a "Boot the rawhide kernel today. Does it
>         work? Tell us
>         >         why or why
>         >         > not" type of thing - I don' tknow if that would be
>         targeted
>         >         as a once a
>         >         > week type thing, or what. Maybe this would be an
>         interesting
>         >         thing to
>         >         > tackle - how can we help them make this sound less
>         >         daunting/more
>         >         > friendly, get the word out, and have fun with it?
>         Maybe a
>         >         quick
>         >         > screencast of how to walk through this type of
>         thing from
>         >         start to finish?
>         >         >
>         >         > Thoughts, comments? Anyone willing to reach out to
>         either QA
>         >         or the
>         >         > kernel folks to pick their brains on this one?
>         >
>         >         I've been thinking about how to improve test days
>         promotion
>         >         for some
>         >         time. A few thoughts:
>         >
>         >         If we want to have more people testing Fedora we
>         need to have
>         >         appropriate infrastructure first. Frankly, wiki is
>         not
>         >         scalable for
>         >         receiving test results. It's OK if you have 10-15
>         participants
>         >         throughout the day, but it's PIA if you have more.
>         There were
>         >         about 40
>         >         people participating in the power management test
>         day and they
>         >         had
>         >         serious problems to submit results (conflicts all
>         the time).
>         >         Not
>         >         mentioned that for some people, editing wiki is not
>         very
>         >         friendly. I
>         >         spoke about this with the QA guys so much that they
>         started
>         >         working on
>         >         some submitting system, but it's just at the
>         beginning and
>         >         doesn't have
>         >         a high priority for them.
>         >
>         >         Real (not online) events might be worth exploring.
>         We did it
>         >         for the F17
>         >         power management test day during our office's open
>         house. It
>         >         was by far
>         >         the most attended test day and people were enjoying
>         testing
>         >         Fedora
>         >         together and with people that have the best insight
>         in to the
>         >         area (our
>         >         power management engineers in this case).
>         >
>         >         We have to talk about them more. People that
>         represent Fedora
>         >         should
>         >         blog about it, talk about it at conferences, post
>         >         announcements at
>         >         national community sites etc. If I and Jaroslav
>         Reznik attend
>         >         a general
>         >         Linux conference in our region we propose a talk
>         "How To
>         >         Contribute to
>         >         Fedora Project" and it's mostly about test days
>         because
>         >         testing is an
>         >         entry level contribution everyone can do. We go
>         through test
>         >         cases with
>         >         people and show them it's actually quite easy to
>         take part in
>         >         test days.
>         >         And we tell them that testing prior to the final
>         release is
>         >         very
>         >         important.
>         >
>         >         Red Hat opened an intern position in Brno office for
>         someone
>         >         who would
>         >         coordinate test days promotion. Unfortunately, they
>         haven't
>         >         yet found a
>         >         good fit, a student who is a Fedora enthusiast and
>         interested
>         >         in
>         >         testing.
>         >
>         >         Jiri
>         >
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