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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Arnav Kalra píše v Po 20. 08. 2012 v 22:28 +0530:
> Maybe we should release virtualbox/vmware images so that people canThe problem is that many test days require testing on bare metal,
> easily test fedora. Is fedora on Google plus? If yes then we can
> schedule events on Google plus and send invites.
they're usually the most important ones (power management, graphics
drivers,...). But it might be useful for others.
Fedora is on G+, but I have no idea who is in charge of the account.
Jiri
> On Aug 20, 2012 8:21 PM, "Jiri Eischmann" <eischmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> Robyn Bergeron píše v Pá 17. 08. 2012 v 12:13 -0700:
> > Hey,
> >
> > So, I was just hanging out in the weekly kernel meeting on
> IRC, and
> > asked how their virtual fad for kernel regression testing
> went, and
> > heard that they had incredibly low turnout, and it was also
> noted that
> > test days in general kind of have low or less than we'd like
> to have
> > turnout. Which seems like something we can help with, in a
> few ways:
> >
> > #1: Work with the QA team to help them figure out how to get
> information
> > to us so that we can get it out to various channels -
> twitter, facebook,
> > etc. - and what information we'd need and when.
> >
> > A lot of times, it seems like testing might sound
> daunting/"not for me"
> > when in reality, it might be easy or take 5 minutes or etc.
> So maybe
> > things we could ask for would be...
> >
> > * How long does this take?
> > * Is this "easy", "hard," ... what skills do you need?
> > * Is this a "you just need a USB key and a way to download"
> or is this
> > potentially going to destroy your system?
> >
> > For the kernel regression virtual fad - which wasn't really
> a test day -
> > as an example, it's (a) got the word "kernel" in it, which I
> think
> > automatically makes a lot of people say "uhoh, not for me,"
> even though
> > there may have been ways for them to participate.
> >
> > Anyway: it seems like something we could add value to - just
> with
> > something like, "Send us your info a week in advance, we'll
> work up some
> > tweets or content and help drive folks back to you."
> >
> > #2: See if there are additional things we could produce that
> can help
> > people get acquainted with the idea or process of testing.
> >
> > Maybe a video how-to? Not really sure here what would be
> valuable -
> > would be something to reach out to the QA folks about.
> >
> > #3: Josh Boyer added in the kernel meeting that it would be
> cool to just
> > have a "Boot the rawhide kernel today. Does it work? Tell us
> why or why
> > not" type of thing - I don' tknow if that would be targeted
> as a once a
> > week type thing, or what. Maybe this would be an interesting
> thing to
> > tackle - how can we help them make this sound less
> daunting/more
> > friendly, get the word out, and have fun with it? Maybe a
> quick
> > screencast of how to walk through this type of thing from
> start to finish?
> >
> > Thoughts, comments? Anyone willing to reach out to either QA
> or the
> > kernel folks to pick their brains on this one?
>
> I've been thinking about how to improve test days promotion
> for some
> time. A few thoughts:
>
> If we want to have more people testing Fedora we need to have
> appropriate infrastructure first. Frankly, wiki is not
> scalable for
> receiving test results. It's OK if you have 10-15 participants
> throughout the day, but it's PIA if you have more. There were
> about 40
> people participating in the power management test day and they
> had
> serious problems to submit results (conflicts all the time).
> Not
> mentioned that for some people, editing wiki is not very
> friendly. I
> spoke about this with the QA guys so much that they started
> working on
> some submitting system, but it's just at the beginning and
> doesn't have
> a high priority for them.
>
> Real (not online) events might be worth exploring. We did it
> for the F17
> power management test day during our office's open house. It
> was by far
> the most attended test day and people were enjoying testing
> Fedora
> together and with people that have the best insight in to the
> area (our
> power management engineers in this case).
>
> We have to talk about them more. People that represent Fedora
> should
> blog about it, talk about it at conferences, post
> announcements at
> national community sites etc. If I and Jaroslav Reznik attend
> a general
> Linux conference in our region we propose a talk "How To
> Contribute to
> Fedora Project" and it's mostly about test days because
> testing is an
> entry level contribution everyone can do. We go through test
> cases with
> people and show them it's actually quite easy to take part in
> test days.
> And we tell them that testing prior to the final release is
> very
> important.
>
> Red Hat opened an intern position in Brno office for someone
> who would
> coordinate test days promotion. Unfortunately, they haven't
> yet found a
> good fit, a student who is a Fedora enthusiast and interested
> in
> testing.
>
> Jiri
>
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